On Monday, I went to a Chinwag meeting on measuring social media. This was 2.0 cubed: I found the meeting through 2.0; Chinwag is very much 2.0 (check their job board); and social media (Facebook, etc.) is 2.0
The meeting was held in the basement of Slug n Lettuce on Waldour Street, just up from China Town. Being just after the Chinese New Year, I got to see Gerrard Street festooned with Red Lanterns. Great pub, but not such a great place for a meeting. It was physically difficult to circulate and the acoustics are terrible. Networking by shouting.
That said, there were five speakers, if I recall, and Jim Sterne had flown over from California to chair.
It was interesting. The audience wanted to talk to the dynamic nature or social media and Jim, I thought, was batting us down.
Here is a quote from a book on complexity theory and management that captures, what I thought, was the sentiment from the floor
A metric that provides feedback tells us about yesterday. We need metrics that encourage double loop learning - that change the questions we ask. Metric suppliers need to be brave enough to interpret the data they collect, do a bit of scenario planning, and initiate conversations which enhance marketers understanding of what consumers want.
15 years ago, double loop learning might have been what Professor Ralph Stacey of University of Hertfordshire called extraordinary management. Today, double loop learning is ordinary management.
What the floor was interested in was feed forward. Not whether you achieved sales. But whether you can monitor in real time what consumers want. And take part meaningfully in a conversation with them.


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February 23, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Jon Ingham
H Jo,
Sounds like a really interesting meeting.
I don’t have the full context for your comments, but for me, there’s not yet much sign of double loop learning in ordinary management… and in my experience, measurement tends to take us back to single loop vs double loop learning…
So instead of worrying about metrics, I’d encourage people to accept that they’re increasingly going to be unable to measure what’s important (like the degree of connectedness facilitated through social media), and think about how else they can make progress instead (eg to ask, ‘what would it be like if we could manage what we can’t measure?’).
I think this probably links to your point on the need to concentrate on feed forward.
Best, Jon.
February 23, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Jo
Thanks, Jon.
I think that counts as a “wicked question”.
“What would it be like if we manage what we can’t measure?”
I think that could be a popular debate in the UK right now. If we have time on Tuesday at the CIPD meeting, maybe we could chat about it.
I find asking “wicked questions” quite hard - or least asking them in a way that is compelling and engaging. It is an important skill in HR.
Looking forward to meeting you on Tuesday,
Thanks again,
Jo
March 16, 2008 at 6:55 pm
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